as a result he discovered ralph anderson and associates had not conducted a similar search of chief building official for director of building department and therefore has moved on and feels that it should be then short listed to two because that was one of the things that was very important to the commission. so he then did reference checks for alliance resources consulting and bob murray and associates. as we all would expect if a vendor gives a reference we're going to get something that is good back because you wouldn't give a reference to get a bad evaluation, but the references did elicit some good information. for alliance, they were used for a number of recruitment efforts, specifically they have done marin, they have done contra costa county, san mateo, san jose, a large group of building agencies. talk to the director of human resources, they were satisfied with what has occurred. alliance also provides the recruitment for all the positions in contra costa county, which i think was interesting. they were asked to -- the references were asked to rate the quality of the candidates an